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Simon Louvaki
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:12:00 -
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The CONCORD commander wasn't murdered, his pod was left intact and he fled the scene. Had he been killed it wouldn't have been murder anyway, he was in violation of a Caldari No-Fly Zone and didn't have the authority to demand anything from a Caldari Admiral. None of what he demanded is covered or given authority to the DED.
As for the wreck of the Shiigeru, the remains of the ship is State property. Any tampering or unauthorized salvaging of the vessel is in violation of Caldari law and the violators should be persecuted to the full extent of international law.
The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt;
Thus fools go forth to spread false word.
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21 |
Simon Louvaki
Sengokuvaa Kaltiovon
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Posted - 2013.03.28 00:33:00 -
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Toluijin Chagangan wrote:The commander may not have been Simon, but every single CONCORD officer aboard most certainly was.
and that commander put those people at risk by repeatedly threatening and making demands for sensitive information of the a State warship via live comms. [/quote]
Toluijin Chagangan wrote: As for the repeated assertion that CONCORD could not make demands of the Capsuleer commander of the Shiigeru, the simple fact is, she was, and most likely still is, a capsuleer. Within a High security system. Therefore CONCORD had all the right it needed to make those demands.
The Shigeru isn't simply some independent capsuleer vessel, it was property of the Caldari State on business in Caldari air space over a Caldari planet preforming military operations aimed at aiding besieged ground units against enemy forces. If the Shigeru was an independent capsuleer vessel I would absolutely agree, but given the situation I firmly believe the DED agent was overstepping his boundaries and borderline in violation of CONCORDS neutrality.
Toluijin Chagangan wrote:You seem to forget that the Caldari signed up to the Yoiul Convention, therefore giving CONCORD those rights.
You can't claim foul when they attempt to use the rights granted to them just because it does not coincide with the wishes of the state. Especially given Yanala's response
I am fully aware we signed the Yoiul Convention and it does not give CONCORD the rights to demand nor interfere in the individual affairs of the member nation States. CONCORD has clearly stated that various times before and most recently when many capusuleers (prior to the Federal assault) had been petitioning CONCORD (including myself) for action by taking over security in the region, to which their respond was exactly that they couldn't intervene until the convention was breached. The DED was certainly not reflecting that statement as the convention hadn't been breached.
Toluijin Chagangan wrote:
Did the elders similarly breach the terms of the convention, well, that matter is more difficult, as they had left the 'republic' long before it was officially formed, and therefore were technically not signatories to the convention.
however, in the spirit of good will, i will agree that their fleet did do more damage than the Shiigeru, however, their losses during that battle were also far worse.
The Elder didn't breach the convention because they didn't sign it. The Elders and Republic are not, or at least weren't at the time, a singular entity. I believe you and I agree fully on that for certain, but at the same time its irrelevant. We gain nothing by comparing the individual actions of independent entities to that of nation states.
The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt;
Thus fools go forth to spread false word.
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21 |
Simon Louvaki
Sengokuvaa Kaltiovon
419
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Posted - 2013.03.28 00:35:00 -
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Toluijin Chagangan wrote:I would suggest reading up on salvage law also Simon.
Once abandoned or destroyed the salvage rights to any vessel belong to whoever salvages it.
I highly doubt that any of the Big Eight will agree to such a notion, especially in this case.
The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt;
Thus fools go forth to spread false word.
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21 |
Simon Louvaki
Sengokuvaa Kaltiovon
419
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Posted - 2013.03.28 00:51:00 -
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Ha! so am I. I look like a chump compared to Caldari RPers like Scherezad, Vikarion and Malchom Khross.
The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt;
Thus fools go forth to spread false word.
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21 |
Simon Louvaki
Sengokuvaa Kaltiovon
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Posted - 2013.03.28 03:23:00 -
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http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/DED
This is what we know about the DED. There is nothing there to support the DED's actions so its just as possible he was getting too big for his breeches as well.
The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt;
Thus fools go forth to spread false word.
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21 |
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